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No, not Rubicon. (1)

For many years i have toyed with the idea of what the Fay and other supernatural beings were doing during the Second world war.  For the last couple of years I have been trying to set these stories down.

Now there are certain recurring fictional organisations/settings that would be suited to these stories but I am unsure if I should use them.

The first is Loamshire, particularly the Loamshire regiments.

Loamshire was used (and possibly created) by George Elliot (2) and has been used as a name for a generic English rural county.  The Loamshire Regiment has not only been used in many works of fiction (3) but was used as a placeholder in military training manuals and forms by the British Army.  The temptation is to make the commanding officer the last  and only member of the Loamshire Regiment.

Then there is Department Q/Q Division.

Department Q, the British occult division od the SOE/SIS has come to my attention twice in recent days as part of the backstory for both Charles Stross' The Laundry Files and Gordon Rennie and Dom Reardon's Caballistics, Inc.! from 2000AD.  I have to admit that i haven't read either of these (but have both on my wants list) so don't know if there are just references to the Department or if the idea is more fully developed.  'Q' in wartime code-namiing usually referred to something disguised (as opposed to camouflaged) so Q-ships were warships disguised as merchantmen.  It seems that any real British military occult department (the existance or not of which has never been revealed) would use a different designation.  That said such a department would be ideal to be seen to be (with usual military bureaucracy) at odds with the protagonists on my stories.

Finally theer are the Hexen Soldaten, magic using SS troops that I believe were created by Kenneth Hite for his book
The Nazi Occult (4) which was intended as a pseudo-historical sourcebook for wargamer/role players.

All of these concepts would fit well into my stories, but would I just be being lazy to use them, or should I just use them as placeholders until the final revision?

(1) Bimbos of the Death Sun by Sharyn McCrumb
(2) Felix Holt, the Radical  (1866)
(3) Sapper's Bulldog Drummond stories, Evelyn Waugh's Sword of Honour trilogy and the movie The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp among others.
(4) Osprey 2013

Date: 2016-07-28 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iulia_linnea.livejournal.com
I wouldn't use them as placeholders because they'll flavor your efforts and you won't be able to make them truly your own; I'd use some placeholder name of your own devising until you've fleshed out your own clandestine operation/control organization. There can always be similarities to such things already out in the wilds, of course, and there will be, but unless you're working in a shared universe, I think you'd do better to promote your own universe with your own inventions.

I'd also consider never, ever getting into specifics of an unpublished universe in a public online setting, but then, I'm a paranoid person. :P

Date: 2016-07-28 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eoforyth.livejournal.com
I'm much with Iuls with this, I'm afraid. I suspect you are looking for some opinions/suggestions to back you up, but I'm worried this isn't even f-locked, and there are far less scrupulous people out there looking for other's hard researched ideas to flesh out their own stories.

Not that f-locking would necessarily help. Too late for that now.

*sigh* Not that you can as circumstances stand, but what you could do with is a few days relaxing with an eclectic group of creative friends where such things could be bounced around. Sadly, the Nycon has ceased to run :(

Date: 2016-07-28 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iulia_linnea.livejournal.com
Publicly knocking around ideas is one thing, however potentially problematic, but I was thinking that it would be unwise to publicly post original work (even though I'd cheerfully read a story the likes of which it sounds [livejournal.com profile] willibald is writing).

Oh, and Shog loves the Laundry books. He's been urging me to read them for ages.

Date: 2016-07-29 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janewilliams20.livejournal.com
Why on earth would you want to use someone else's fictional organisations when it's so easy to invent your own? Leads to all sorts of trouble with copyright when you come to publish, and really.. well, why? What reason is there to do so?


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